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Like0Aug 28, 2014permalinkjosbiker Thank for your explanation.

And they match up with SNR data from lab tests.

Sony is still beating the Panasonic by 2 EV, maybe 3 at high ISOs.

In other words, both cameras got roughly the same focal plane exposure for any ISO.

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Butler Which cameras are you seeing a discrepancy in?

Other people like more detail etc.

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Put another way: to resolve the same amount of scene detail, a smaller sensor of equivalent resolution would need a lens of higher resolving power.

Like0Aug 27, 2014permalinktabloid What Dp are doing here is very interesting to people like myself.

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Therefore, to get the same effective normalized resolution on the A7S, you could use a lens of lower resolving power than what you'd need on the GH4.

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The compression engines for video and stills are different and the GH series has always suffered when it came to retaining dark detail (separation of those steps) in HD.

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Have more consistent menu behavior.

Could you please break them apart?

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ISO DR is a big step down from the other A7 cameras.

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To some of course.

GH4 is mostly for video.

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Like2Aug 27, 2014permalinkduartix Come on DPREVIEW.

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We all know they are perfect at base, but what we really need (in such a video centric comparison) is how far can they be stretched.

Remember that Youtube also has a denoising algorithm so any video posted on Youtube will have less noise.

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Oh and IMHO I still think the A7s has enough limitations to make people think very carefully if they are going to buy one.

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Like1Aug 27, 2014permalinkmrcultureshock I really dislike this combo review.

If there are any serious variations from this, let me know.

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Sanyal No, that's absolutely false.

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Yet, GH4 and A7s are way too different.

A7s is your ticket.

DP to review will get larger.

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Can we see dynamic range tests in video mode, just to see if the DR tests in still mode apply to video.

Keep up the good work.

It is not possible to cover both cameras in this much depth separately.

Please review the GH4 and the A7s separately.

ISOs other than 100.

These cameras are completely unrelated and they each deserved their own review.

Remember Dp winging on these forums is quite normal.

Both have advantages and shortcomings.

Like9Aug 27, 2014permalink(unknown member) They are currently enjoying their 5 minutes of fame but I am sure plenty of best cameras ever are waiting in the wings.

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You use a lot of words to explain things they at base wrong and again misleading.

It makes NO sense.

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The review for the Sony A6000 is 13 pages long and yet the combo review for GH4 and A7s, which are 2 of the most important hybrid camera releases ever, only gets 14 pages?

A7s and love it.

GH4 sections and a7S sections are clustered together, so that you don't have to read too much about the other camera if you don't want.

It is a unique design, made for those that need good low light performance, all other things being second.

As 4K is the key factor for the GH4.

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Depends what you want I guess.

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ISO tab on the very first (and most important image comparison page, given the context)?

The larger pixels of the A7S place less demands on the lens.

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GH4 vs A7S looks softer than the Images from the A7S?

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ISO 1600 picture is less detail in the shadows and from my point of view you cannot tell what is best because these pictures are different.

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Richard, you have used a different TIME and therefore there is a different EXPOSURE RESULT and that is why you cannot use the pictures in the comparison tool and of that because the result is very misleading when you compare!

Results match up with what sensor size (and resulting shot noise contributions) and read noise measurements of these cameras would predict.

Even if you would just publish a static page with selected crops it would already be a boon.

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That advantage is not realized if you shoot with the same aperture diameter on both cameras.

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The irony is, with lab testing we'll still get people saying that we should go shoot it in the real world.

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