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Like0Aug 28, 2014permalinkjosbiker Thank for your explanation.

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And they match up with SNR data from lab tests.

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These cameras are completely unrelated and they each deserved their own review.

Both have advantages and shortcomings.

Other people like more detail etc.

Like1Aug 27, 2014permalinkmrcultureshock I really dislike this combo review.

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Therefore, to get the same effective normalized resolution on the A7S, you could use a lens of lower resolving power than what you'd need on the GH4.

Results match up with what sensor size (and resulting shot noise contributions) and read noise measurements of these cameras would predict.

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Sanyal No, that's absolutely false.

The irony is, with lab testing we'll still get people saying that we should go shoot it in the real world.

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The compression engines for video and stills are different and the GH series has always suffered when it came to retaining dark detail (separation of those steps) in HD.

As 4K is the key factor for the GH4.

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Sony is still beating the Panasonic by 2 EV, maybe 3 at high ISOs.

A7s is your ticket.

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If there are any serious variations from this, let me know.

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Even if you would just publish a static page with selected crops it would already be a boon.

A7s and love it.

Remember Dp winging on these forums is quite normal.

You just can't win sometimes.

ISOs other than 100.

It is a unique design, made for those that need good low light performance, all other things being second.

ISO DR is a big step down from the other A7 cameras.

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You use a lot of words to explain things they at base wrong and again misleading.

Yet, GH4 and A7s are way too different.

It is not possible to cover both cameras in this much depth separately.

Richard, you have used a different TIME and therefore there is a different EXPOSURE RESULT and that is why you cannot use the pictures in the comparison tool and of that because the result is very misleading when you compare!

Put another way: to resolve the same amount of scene detail, a smaller sensor of equivalent resolution would need a lens of higher resolving power.

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Please review the GH4 and the A7s separately.

Like2Aug 27, 2014permalinkduartix Come on DPREVIEW.

ISO 1600 picture is less detail in the shadows and from my point of view you cannot tell what is best because these pictures are different.

GH4 sections and a7S sections are clustered together, so that you don't have to read too much about the other camera if you don't want.

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Depends what you want I guess.

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Can we see dynamic range tests in video mode, just to see if the DR tests in still mode apply to video.

Butler Which cameras are you seeing a discrepancy in?

The larger pixels of the A7S place less demands on the lens.

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Keep up the good work.

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GH4 vs A7S looks softer than the Images from the A7S?

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It makes NO sense.

Remember that Youtube also has a denoising algorithm so any video posted on Youtube will have less noise.

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That advantage is not realized if you shoot with the same aperture diameter on both cameras.

Like0Aug 27, 2014permalinktabloid What Dp are doing here is very interesting to people like myself.

ISO tab on the very first (and most important image comparison page, given the context)?

Oh and IMHO I still think the A7s has enough limitations to make people think very carefully if they are going to buy one.

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In other words, both cameras got roughly the same focal plane exposure for any ISO.

We all know they are perfect at base, but what we really need (in such a video centric comparison) is how far can they be stretched.

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Have more consistent menu behavior.

DP to review will get larger.

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GH4 is mostly for video.

The review for the Sony A6000 is 13 pages long and yet the combo review for GH4 and A7s, which are 2 of the most important hybrid camera releases ever, only gets 14 pages?

Could you please break them apart?

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Like9Aug 27, 2014permalink(unknown member) They are currently enjoying their 5 minutes of fame but I am sure plenty of best cameras ever are waiting in the wings.